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Posted At : April 16, 2007 12:20 PM | Posted By : Kevin Schmidt
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I had to laugh when I read this post over on Slugworth's, er... I mean Vince Bonfanti's blog.

"It would appear that the tables have turned somewhat. The major "new" features of CFMX 8, certainly the first ones announced by Adobe--CFIMAGE, .NET integration, CFTHREAD--are playing catch-up to BlueDragon. Has BlueDragon 7.0 caught and surpassed CFMX? I think the evidence is clear that it has."

I guess it's easy to think you're some sort of genius when your product is a knock-off of someone else's hard work. All New Atlanta needs to do is outsource their coding to China and they'll be set.

I've always wondered how New Atlanta is able to sell their product, I'm sure there's a loophole somewhere that has allowed for this.

Of course, New Atlanta is about to have another epiphany of new ideas when ColdFusion 8 is released this year.

This was just posted and it cracks me up even more!

"...the company that pioneered CFML innovations such as standard J2EE WAR/EAR deployment, image manipulation (CFIMAGE), .NET integration, and multi-threaded programming (CFTHREAD) offers their vision of the future."

Pioneered!?! Wow, the delusions just keep getting bigger. Vince you just made me shoot my Diet Coke out my nose. You can bet I'll be in the audience at CFUnited for that one.

And for those of you working hard at Adobe, keep up the good work.

Think I'm wrong? Let me know. I assure you, that unlike New Atlanta, I won't ban you or delete your comments.

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NA *did* have CFIMAGE first, and I believe CF8 is tag-compatible, though I've not tried it.
Sounds like pioneering to me.

# Posted By Tom Chiverton | 4/17/07 4:11 AM

Please tell me exactly how you pioneer something new in a knock-off product?

# Posted By Kevin Schmidt | 4/17/07 6:04 AM

I feel like I'm taking the flame bait.

You could argue pretty succesfully that BlueDragon is a knock of off ColdFusion. I don't disagree, but I also do not see why you think there must be a legal loophole for this to happen. I can go to the Target down the street and buy many different brands of video cameras, TVs, DVD players, etc..
For all intents and purposes they all do the same thing.

In the software world, there are many different Java servers I can use, and for all intents and purposes they do the same thing.

Why not CFML?

BlueDragon has done some things differently than CF. Some of the items, such as those you mentioned (via Vince), were offered natively in BlueDragon before those features were offered in ColdFusion. If that isn't a form of pioneering, I'm not sure what is.

BlueDragon.NET is pretty cool, and in certain situations offers a huge advantage to CFMX.

New Atlanta announced cfthread at last year's CFUnited keynote. The ColdFusion team implemented a proof-of-principle of the feature, supposedly written on a plane on the way home from CFUnited. Competition is good for you (and me) even if you don't want to stray from your preferred provider.

# Posted By Jeffry Houser | 4/18/07 10:43 PM

Jeff,

I talked to Charlie Arehart and Josh Adams last night about how I feel about BlueDragon. They gave an example similar to yours and I said this. Suppose Ford builds the Ford ColdFusion and the Chinese company New Shanghai takes it, and copies it to a t and Calls it BlueFusion. Sure they use parts they made, but it's still identical and it's still someone else design.

CFML is not an open standard like SQL or HTML or any other number of specifications that software is based on. That's my beef.

"New Atlanta announced cfthread at last year's CFUnited keynote. The ColdFusion team implemented a proof-of-principle of the feature, supposedly written on a plane on the way home from CFUnited. Competition is good for you (and me) even if you don't want to stray from your preferred provider."

I'm curious, how do you know this?

# Posted By Kevin Schmidt | 4/19/07 6:11 AM

Kevin,

I'd love to see CF become an open standard. :-) We can hope.

How do I know 'this'?

Well, you can review the slides from New Atlanta's keynote at CFUNITED-06. http://blog.newatlanta.com/index.cfm?mode=entry&am...

I would be surprised if they were void of any cfthread info. Even if they are, I'm sure plenty of people can back up my claim that NA introduced the tag at CFUNITED.

Adobe posted a cfthread proof of concept, here:

http://www.dcooper.org/blog/client/index.cfm?mode=...

That post is dated 20 days after the end of the CFUNITED-06, or 21 days after the New Atlanta keynote at CFUNITED.

Given the proximity of NA announcement + Adobe POC release, I find it hard to believe that one did not inspire the other.

Did Adobe work on the feature on a plane home from CFUNITED? I have no idea if that is true, an Urban Legend, or something I fabricated out of nowhere. I can't find a source for where I heard that

# Posted By Jeffry Houser | 4/19/07 7:36 PM

I found the plane ride source:

http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread...:46813#247168

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